Just reading an article about the detriments of ethanol fuel with marine engines. Does anyone have any experience with this yet.
Ethanol fuel may leave boats dead in
the water
By J. STAAS HAUGHT Staff Writer, (609) 272-7253
(Published: May 2, 2006)
If rising gasoline prices aren't enough to keep areaboaters out of the
water this summer, the gas itself might do the trick.
Boat owners and marina operators say they're concerned that ethanol-blended fuel, now being sold at all filling stations across thestate, could damage their engines and fuel systems, putting them in dry dock for the season.
Bud Dickinson, of Mays Landing, is worried about damaginghis three boats.
Ethanol stirs up the junk in your tanks, and if it gets brought into the injectors, it's going to be a real problem,he said. Mostof the manuals tell you really to take a lot of precaution with ethanolso you don't ruin your engine.
That's because ethanol acts as a detergent, stirring up sediment left in the tanks. If filtering systems fail or get too clogged,the residue could find its way to the engine.
If your filter works, once that first tank is done, you'llprobably be OK, or you might have to change your filters severaltimes, but who wants to ruin a $14,000 engine to test that? Dickinson said
From May through October, all gas sold in New Jersey has to betreated with a pollution-reducing additive. Traditionally, thathas been MTBE, but recent studies raised concern about its effects ongroundwater, so the state ordered a switch to E10 gas, so-called because it is 10 percent ethanol.
Most drivers won't notice any difference running thecleaner-burning E10 in their cars or trucks, but boats are designeddifferently and the fuel can be a problem in marine applications. Most newer carengines were designed with E10 in mind, while most boat engines are older andwere designed to run on other fuels. Wawa posted notices on its fuel pumpslast weekend warning customers that some boats will need preventivemaintenance to run on E10.
David Brown, owner of Thompson Marine in Egg Harbor Township, said most boat owners are expecting problems
I don't think anybody really knows anything yet, andthat's kind of the issue. We're not sure what to expect. We had a problemlong ago, in the late 70s and early 80s when they tried ethanol before,with fuel lines and rubber hoses breaking down, so there' some concern wecould see the same thing this time, Brown said. There's also an issuewith the ethanol mixing with water and fouling up the engine.
Traditional gas, and even MTBE-treated fuel, doesn't mix with water, so any water in a boat's fuel tank can be pumped out beforeit creates a problem. Ethanol, however, is water-soluble, so it mixes with water and carries it into the engine.
With the old fuel, if you get some water in there, you can pump out from the bottom and still save the tank (of gas). But with ethanol, the boat just won't run and you waste a whole tank of gas,said JackMadore, owner of Graef Boat Yard in Somers Point
But, Graef said, ethanol poses another concern forboaters. The big issue for some of the high-end boats is theirtanks. Ethanol eats away at fiberglass tanks, he said.
That has Scott Raab really worried. I'm not going to put it in the water as much thisyear, Raab said of his 28-foot Bertram fishing boat. I don't know what kind of damage the ethanol fuel might do, so I don't want to risk it too much.
Seaworthy magazine cautioned boaters last fall that ethanol could break down the fiberglass, creating a black sludge that gums upvalves and intake manifolds, destroying the boat's motor.
That's not a cheap fix, Madore said. It involves cutting out the tank and replacing it with an aluminum one. It's a lot of money andseveral weeks without your boat.
Brian Lefebvre, an assistant professor of chemical engineering at Rowan University, said ethanol's chemical characteristics raiseanother concern for boaters.
Ethanol can actually suck the moisture out of the air, so if there's any leaks or pressure problems with the fuel lines, it's goingto mix water into the fuel, he said.
Older boats with worn seals and gaskets on fuel systems are at greatest risk, Brown said.
It's going to cost owners some money in maintenance and repair at first, I think, he said,adding that occassional boaters would probably suffer the most.
The guys with their boat in the back yard they take out every once in a while, as soon as they have a problem with it, they'reprobably not going to be able to afford to repair it. They might not even getit in the water, Brown said. I feel really sorry for theguy who has an outboard and doesn't have any filtering system at all. He's in for real trouble.
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I am especially concerned about the plastic tank statements - considering I just put one in.
Carl
Ethanol fuel may leave boats dead in
the water
By J. STAAS HAUGHT Staff Writer, (609) 272-7253
(Published: May 2, 2006)
If rising gasoline prices aren't enough to keep areaboaters out of the
water this summer, the gas itself might do the trick.
Boat owners and marina operators say they're concerned that ethanol-blended fuel, now being sold at all filling stations across thestate, could damage their engines and fuel systems, putting them in dry dock for the season.
Bud Dickinson, of Mays Landing, is worried about damaginghis three boats.
Ethanol stirs up the junk in your tanks, and if it gets brought into the injectors, it's going to be a real problem,he said. Mostof the manuals tell you really to take a lot of precaution with ethanolso you don't ruin your engine.
That's because ethanol acts as a detergent, stirring up sediment left in the tanks. If filtering systems fail or get too clogged,the residue could find its way to the engine.
If your filter works, once that first tank is done, you'llprobably be OK, or you might have to change your filters severaltimes, but who wants to ruin a $14,000 engine to test that? Dickinson said
From May through October, all gas sold in New Jersey has to betreated with a pollution-reducing additive. Traditionally, thathas been MTBE, but recent studies raised concern about its effects ongroundwater, so the state ordered a switch to E10 gas, so-called because it is 10 percent ethanol.
Most drivers won't notice any difference running thecleaner-burning E10 in their cars or trucks, but boats are designeddifferently and the fuel can be a problem in marine applications. Most newer carengines were designed with E10 in mind, while most boat engines are older andwere designed to run on other fuels. Wawa posted notices on its fuel pumpslast weekend warning customers that some boats will need preventivemaintenance to run on E10.
David Brown, owner of Thompson Marine in Egg Harbor Township, said most boat owners are expecting problems
I don't think anybody really knows anything yet, andthat's kind of the issue. We're not sure what to expect. We had a problemlong ago, in the late 70s and early 80s when they tried ethanol before,with fuel lines and rubber hoses breaking down, so there' some concern wecould see the same thing this time, Brown said. There's also an issuewith the ethanol mixing with water and fouling up the engine.
Traditional gas, and even MTBE-treated fuel, doesn't mix with water, so any water in a boat's fuel tank can be pumped out beforeit creates a problem. Ethanol, however, is water-soluble, so it mixes with water and carries it into the engine.
With the old fuel, if you get some water in there, you can pump out from the bottom and still save the tank (of gas). But with ethanol, the boat just won't run and you waste a whole tank of gas,said JackMadore, owner of Graef Boat Yard in Somers Point
But, Graef said, ethanol poses another concern forboaters. The big issue for some of the high-end boats is theirtanks. Ethanol eats away at fiberglass tanks, he said.
That has Scott Raab really worried. I'm not going to put it in the water as much thisyear, Raab said of his 28-foot Bertram fishing boat. I don't know what kind of damage the ethanol fuel might do, so I don't want to risk it too much.
Seaworthy magazine cautioned boaters last fall that ethanol could break down the fiberglass, creating a black sludge that gums upvalves and intake manifolds, destroying the boat's motor.
That's not a cheap fix, Madore said. It involves cutting out the tank and replacing it with an aluminum one. It's a lot of money andseveral weeks without your boat.
Brian Lefebvre, an assistant professor of chemical engineering at Rowan University, said ethanol's chemical characteristics raiseanother concern for boaters.
Ethanol can actually suck the moisture out of the air, so if there's any leaks or pressure problems with the fuel lines, it's goingto mix water into the fuel, he said.
Older boats with worn seals and gaskets on fuel systems are at greatest risk, Brown said.
It's going to cost owners some money in maintenance and repair at first, I think, he said,adding that occassional boaters would probably suffer the most.
The guys with their boat in the back yard they take out every once in a while, as soon as they have a problem with it, they'reprobably not going to be able to afford to repair it. They might not even getit in the water, Brown said. I feel really sorry for theguy who has an outboard and doesn't have any filtering system at all. He's in for real trouble.
__________________________
I am especially concerned about the plastic tank statements - considering I just put one in.
Carl
