VT Shooting

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turbinedoctor

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Have you guys heard about the shooting at Virgina Tech yet. That was a silly question, you would have to be asleep not to have heard. My heart goes out to the families involved.

In the ton of news reports I have been watching, I heard the Virgine flag was ordered to fly at half staff. This reminds me of a web site where you can request to be notified when the flags are ordered to half staff. http://www.petersonflags.com/half_staff_info.htm
 
heard about it all day. BIG tech fan. have several friends there. all but one accounted for still waiting on one to get in touch with their family.. he was an engineer major which is the classes that were hit.. hope he is ok. also have a really close girl friend that had applied i think this swayed her desicion i hope because i think it would add to me already worrying about her everynight. much prayers to those victims families
 
I know better than to second guess when all the facts are not in but can some one here with some Lawman experience or just some good old fashion common sense tell me how in the h@ll does a guy go on a shooting in one building and two hours later go on a rampage in another bldg. on the other side of the campus and they only thing that was done was to send an email out about it >:(
Where in the h@ll were all the uniforms and a full blown lock down, you had a shooting multiple vics and a suspect on the loose and they sent out an email. OMG
Thirty kids are dead they sent out a f@ckin email thru the school email system telling them there was an incident in a bldg.
I had a fight Agg Assualt at a school when I was a watch commander there was supposed to be someone with a knife running around and I had everyone I could grab by the short hairs there and mutual aid from other PD's and had the entire part of town on a lock down, I had pairs of guys going thru the school bldg's on a hunt down.
This piece of sh!t went into one bldg and then left, went and armed himself up and into another bldg and went on a rampage. No one around.
Those poor kids, God rest their souls :'(
 
My personal opinion, campus cops are like mall rent a cops,
when there is no trouble, they talk big, like they are statey's,
but when trouble breaks out, it's Barney Fife mode.
 
Something terribly wrong in the way that was managed from the outset happened there, of that I have no doubt. And I say that because there was way too much time elapsed without a major man hunt and lock down in progress.
 
I believe that it has been brought out that the shooting in the West AJ hall was a domestic dispute and is now being said that it is not related to the killing spree in the engineering hall.. since it was just a dispute there was no need to lockdown the whole school beings that the suspect in that inncident fled the area.. and the AJ hall was put on lockdown the instant the shooting had happened.. i was argueing the same about it untill i found out its two seperate incidents and no related in anyway.. havent had an update since last night so that may have changed again..
 
A lot of agency's are going to learn from this. I live in a small university town. The headline in the paper today wasn't about the shooting it was about the University Police Chief's response.
http://www.eurekareporter.com/

I also need to address the rent-a-cop issue. I don't know how it is at any other university but here locally almost all of the university officers are street cops who have transferred from other departments (drawn by higher pay/benefits). That said, it is NOT the same job as working the streets. What complicates matters even more (at least here) is that the university staff and student population as well as most of the surrounding community have an EXTREMELY LIBERAL mentality. This results in almost everything the UPD does as having very politically correct overtones.

TH
 
My son who's in Penn State just called me, one of his good friends from high school, his best friends girlfriend has a brother in Va. and he is one of the kids killed there, he played ball with my son and his father was my sons football coach.
How do you explain to anyone what this sick evil b@stard did.
Say a prayer for all our kids tonight, wherever they are
 
p-vaugh7 said:
I believe that it has been brought out that the shooting in the West AJ hall was a domestic dispute and is now being said that it is not related to the killing spree in the engineering hall..  since it was just a dispute there was no need to lockdown the whole school beings that the suspect in that inncident fled the area.. and the AJ hall was put on lockdown the instant the shooting had happened.. i was argueing the same about it untill i found out its two seperate incidents and no related in anyway.. havent had an update since last night so that may have changed again..
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I think they are saying that they have not absolutely stated the 2 are related but that one of the 2 guns found was used to kill people in both locations so it is reasonable to assume that the same idiot was involved in both situations, with #1 still perhaps being a domestic situation....or at least that's how I read the news today.

Bad situation all around, no matter what at this point hindsight will lead to lots of speculation. But last night when they said they had a "person of interest" that was NOT in custody....I think that told that they had a pretty good idea it was same idiot at both locations...sad day for Tech and everyone that's for sure!
:( :(
 
This the 1st thing came to mind when I woke up today...so it's been a kinda sad day although I don't personally know anyone involved, I can't begin to imagine the feelings of the parents, brothers, sisters and all family members devastated by one deranged moron...

Lots of questions to be answered...

Was this guy legal in U.S.?
Why the two hour lag?
Did VT get only the level of security they were willing to pay for?
More I can't even think of...

Sad day for our country, no doubt...
 
This may not be PC but, I think it may be time authorties consider allowing select teachers and even some students to CCW on campus. Naturally special training would be called for but, At least the good guys would have an even chance. Just a thought.
 
y'know, everybody who wasnt there is an expert.
i think we should blame the republicans.
maybe we should blame the NRA.
or how about charleton heston.
we need gun control.

maybe somebody should blame the piece of sh!t who carried out this vile act of hate.

nah. we can find somebody else to blame.

instead of placing it squarely where it belongs we must find a suitable scapegoat.

how about imus.

the media runs the world so just let them settle on who is to blame and start there.
 
TunaHead's gripe:
Part of the problem with current society is the 24/7 media coverage. News "reporters" who can competently read a teleprompter are suddenly forced to cover a developing situation with nothing more than limited information. Despite this they have to fill air time and so are forced to speculate and babble on... "What if this, or What if that..." The dead weren't even tallied and they were already trying to asess blame.

Ok... enough of that. I finally had to turn off the boob-tube. Went out to the garage and used the palm sander on the new (used) teak swim platform for Sla'inte that I got from these guys:
http://www.shipwreckusedparts.com/index.htm
TH
 
I'm all for open and concelled carry. It is obivious that not allowing it did not stop this shooting or any other in the past.

If it were allowed they would be trying to figure out whose bullet and which one killed the bad guy instead of how many are dead.


Thats my thoughts weather you like it or not.
 
Turbin, not to be a high jacker here, but was looking at your gallery and seen that bunker garage that a tree landed on. Is that your garage ??
 
charlie_the_tuna said:
y'know, everybody who wasnt there is an expert.
i think we should blame the republicans.
maybe we should blame the NRA.
or how about charleton heston.
we need gun control.

maybe somebody should blame the piece of sh!t who carried out this vile act of hate.

nah. we can find somebody else to blame.

instead of placing it squarely where it belongs we must find a suitable scapegoat.

how about imus.

the media runs the world so just let them settle on who is to blame and start there.
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Bravo!! Well said CTT! We think alot alike!! 8)
 
First of all, I am praying for all involved in that mess.

Being a cop, I have been to some bad scenes, and I know how the worst ones stick in your mind. The people who had to deal with that scene will carry it with them forever.

As for all the finger pointing, that is just human nature, we want to know what happened and we want someone alive to blame. The guy to blame is dead so people are searching for something else.

I saw an interview on our local news with a kid who lives in the dorm where the first shooting happened. He said that he recieved an email from his RA (residence assistant) at 0815 about the shooting in the dorm.

I think that is probably as fast as the wheels can turn in that situation.

Also, from what I can gather, the police thought that it was either a murder/suicide, or a domestic type thing and they had the third party stopped and were interviewing him at the time so I bet they didn't think there was any threat to anyone else.

As for campus security, or security anywhere, there is no way to prevent someone who wants to bring something (gun, drugs, anything) into anywhere they want to take it. The screeners at the airport miss test items constantly (they detect about half on average), our prisons are full of weapons and drugs, there are guns on high school and middle school campuses everyday.

I carry a gun everyday at work, most of the time I carry when I am off duty as well. Not so much for my protection, but so that I can intervene if I every find myself faced with this type of situation.

There has been a lot of talk in my local media about outlawing guns again, the truth is, I know there were people in that building who own guns and are capable of using a gun and had they been allowed to legally carry their gun on campus, they would have stopped that slaughter long before it ended.

Bottom line, have a relationship with Jesus, pray for peace, be prepared for when you may have to save yourself, your family, or a stranger from the evil that is becomming more and more a part of our world.

OK, I'm done.
 
A question for all the lawmen:

Has there ever been a study that shows the difference between legally
owned guns and the amount of illegally used guns
in crimes?

My point in this is a statement I have heard many times,
if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
No I am not a member of NRA or any other group.
I am just John Q. Public.
 
parishht said:
A question for all the lawmen:

Has there ever been a study that shows the difference between legally
owned guns and the amount of illegally used guns
in crimes?

My point in this is a statement I have heard many times,
if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
No I am not a member of NRA or any other group.
I am just John Q. Public.
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I don't pay attention to most "studies" cause whoever does them can make em say whatever they want.

But in my 19 years of dealing with criminals, most of the ones with guns obtained them illegally, either by stealing them or just buying them on the street. A very common charge when I find a gun on someone is "possesion of a firearm by a convicted felon". The bad guys are BAD, they don't follow the rules so it doesn't matter what the rules are.

Now we could start making them stay in prison for doing their crimes, but we are all going to have to pony up the money to build more prisons to do that.

I do believe that if a guy knew that he was going to prison for 10 years for having a stolen gun, then he might not do it, but as it is, the first 2 or 3 times he is caught, he is told, "now if you do it again, you are gonna be in trouble", which aint true, until he kills someone, them he might have to stay in for 10 years.

The only way to keep guns out of their hands would be to get rid of all of the guns. And that aint gonna happen unless the Communists take power.
 
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