Has it ever been done?? Well it’s about to happen.

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So since I sold my last V I’ve been looking for another one to tinker with. I’ve wanted to start from scratch and build a boat exactly like I want it. I’ve compiled some parts and the main thing I was missing was a hull. I have a console, motor, poly fuel tank, t-top, leaning post, rigging etc. I have a pretty good start. I’ve been looking for a V and either they are way to nice for what I want to do or too far away.

Well I compromised and I think you all will like what I have going on. Technically I’m not building a V-20 center console. Instead I came across a 1994 V-21. I’ve never seen one of these in person but it appears the only difference is the set back transom. Now as many of you know they didn’t make a center console 21. And to cut up a perfectly good Cuddy boat would be ridiculous. However this one has already been gutted. The cap is gone so basically what I’m looking at is a v-20 hull with a set back transom.

As far as condition the boat seems solid as a rock. The stringers and transom sound solid when hitting them with a hammer. I recall from my last V that thumpy, wet sound when hitting a wet or soft spot and I can’t find any. The deal I got is the boat and trailer for $200. The trailer is in pretty good shape and made the 40 mile trip home with no issues. The boat also has a nice looking poly tank in it so I feel I definitely got my moneys worth. I now have 2 big poly tanks and can probably sell whichever one I decide not to use for $200.

My plan is to put in a new floor to the hull sides much like a skiff, or like a center console from the early 70’s. It appears the original liner floor sat a couple inches above the stringers as there is a very high build up of whatever they use to adhere it. My plan is to put the new floor right on top of the stringers as they still appear to be higher than the water line. The console has a seat on the front and the leaning post will be the only seating. I want the boat as open as possible to make more room for moving around while fishing. I have a couple marine bean bags I’ll just throw in the boat for the kiddos when needed.

Then the big project is going to be building a cap. I want it to be flat and low profile, really showing the profile of the hull, much like the flatcap V’s. I would love to come across an abandoned flat cap V-20 from the early 70’s and salvage the cap but I doubt I’ll get that lucky.

Anyways I’ll try to keep you guys updated and will try and post some pics. I’ve been trying for a while to post some but can’t figure it out. I use my phone so I guess I need to try on the laptop.
 
Sounds like you have a well thought out plan in place. Just a slight piece of advice. Look carefully at the inside of the transom where the set back "bubble" it comes through the transom. See that 1" gap on either side? My advice is to fill it and then glass over it to either side of the stringers back there for much needed and added strength. The general consensus of thought is that the reason these hulls are only rated for 200 HP outboards is that the original construction of the way the bubble is attached through the transom made it unwise to rate the hull for a higher HP engine. Just my 2 cents, but that's what I did with my 96 V21 when I had the deck off it.
 
Sounds like you have a well thought out plan in place. Just a slight piece of advice. Look carefully at the inside of the transom where the set back "bubble" it comes through the transom. See that 1" gap on either side? My advice is to fill it and then glass over it to either side of the stringers back there for much needed and added strength. The general consensus of thought is that the reason these hulls are only rated for 200 HP outboards is that the original construction of the way the bubble is attached through the transom made it unwise to rate the hull for a higher HP engine. Just my 2 cents, but that's what I did with my 96 V21 when I had the deck off it.

I’ve had this plan together for a couple years now just never had the time or money to do it. Time is still hard to come by nowadays but because of that I can finally have a little cash flow to put towards it.

I need to do some cleaning up back there and figure out exactly what’s going on. There’s just globs and globs of the filler material everywhere around the transom. I definitely need to clean it up then look into doing as you say. It’s already this far apart, I might as well get it right now.
 
Also what bubble are you referring to? I will try to snap a few pics of the transom and maybe you could point out to me what you mean.
 
Ok so I figured out how to attach thumbs so I guess that's better than nothing. Here's some more of what I'm starting with. First order of business is getting all the foam out and covering her up and possibly putting a dehumidifier in her for a while to try and get her dried out good. Then I guess I'll put some new foam back in her and get the floor sealed up. I've read in a few places that a pressure washer is the best way to get old foam out. Anybody else have any suggestions let me know.

Also I'm planning on stopping by our local fiberglass shop and ordering supplies. I'm thinking about getting 5 gallons of laminating resin and 5 gallons finish resin and a whole bunch of cloth and mat. After I get the floor in and cap supports I may save myself some trouble and take it to my guy and have him chop gun the whole inside. He recently did a boat for a buddy of mine and I guess they put the white gel coat right in the strand and it looks great.

Ok, not sure why but the pics are upside down, but the first ones weren't. Ill figure this out one day.

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I call the set back that the engine mounts onto the bubble. Don't know what else to call it so I coined the phrase. Since a V20 has an almost flat transom, the setback on the V21 from the outside looked like a bubble to me.

Anyways, if you look at the inside of the transom where the bubble is attached you'll see that the two pieces (transom and bubble) are not connected very well. There's a gap on the sides. it's that gap that I'm talking about. fill it with filler and then class it all together and that should add some additional strength to the whole transom. It's not necessary, but when I had my deck off and looked it just seemed prudent to do so.
 
I call the set back that the engine mounts onto the bubble. Don't know what else to call it so I coined the phrase. Since a V20 has an almost flat transom, the setback on the V21 from the outside looked like a bubble to me.

Anyways, if you look at the inside of the transom where the bubble is attached you'll see that the two pieces (transom and bubble) are not connected very well. There's a gap on the sides. it's that gap that I'm talking about. fill it with filler and then class it all together and that should add some additional strength to the whole transom. It's not necessary, but when I had my deck off and looked it just seemed prudent to do so.

Ok I think I see where you’re referring to. Right now there’s a layer of that hard filler on top of the transom but I hit it with a hammer on the sides and it feels like there is foam under it. Does seem like a very vurnable void. I’ll definitly look into it. I still haven’t confirmed the wood to be completely solid yet. If I grind/cut out the filler on top of the transom and the core seems wet I may be looking into a carbon-core pourable transom and it’d be ideal to seal the top of the transom up to the highest point where it meets the normal transom location and fill the lower transom and those voids at the same time. Very confusing I know haha. Hopefully in the next few days we’ll get some decent weather and I can get into it. Been raining nonstop here.
 
Oh and since I figured out the picture thing, I’ll share my father in laws baby. 1972 with a 200hp on the back of her. Met up with us this past weekend and I was topping out at about 42 in my Coastal and he blew by me like I was sitting still. Thing is scary fast. She’s a little bit of a project but he’s got a nice one for sure.

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I know that a lot of people say that a 150 is the ideal horsepower for a V20 but to my mind a 200 is way better. Granted you cannot normally use that much speed on the ocean because of the waves, etc. but on a smoother lake or river it is just a sweet ride at WOT. Your dad's boat looks nice. :clap:

The gap I was talking about is inside your boat. if you stand inside and look at the stern where the bubble comes through the transom. Follow the stringers and there's a place where the vertical stringers go through the horizontal stringers + They could have been joined together for more strength but Wellcraft didn't do it. They left a gap between them of about an inch. That's the area I was talking about. Hard to tell from your pics if they did that on your hull but that was the case on mine.
 
Yea I like a 200 on these hulls but a 150 does its job. For this project I have a 2004 Johnson 175 so I guess I’ll have the best of both worlds?? I bought a 20’ Palm Beach center console that needs a floor. It’s just been sittin because well, it’s really not my style of boat and I haven’t wanted to spend the time or money on it. But it was a deal I couldn’t pass up. I can easily part it out and get my money back but instead I am just going to part it out to myself for the V-21. I now have a console, T-top, leaning post, motor/rigging, fuel tank etc. The trailer it’s on is also nicer than the one the V is on so I’ll swap that out to.

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If anyone local wants this Palm Beach hull when I’m done she’s free to a good home. Needs a floor and the PO cut some of the floor out and it’s been open in the rain so I’m sure the foam is logged.
 
I’m actually in the process of converting my cuddy to a cc and am doing it like you are glassing the floor directly to the sides setting on top of the stringers. Looking forward to your progress pics.
 
Here’s a pic that kinda shows what I’m doing. Completely built console from scratch not quite finished with it yet.
 

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I’m actually in the process of converting my cuddy to a cc and am doing it like you are glassing the floor directly to the sides setting on top of the stringers. Looking forward to your progress pics.

Here’s a pic that kinda shows what I’m doing. Completely built console from scratch not quite finished with it yet.

Very nice. I can’t wait to get mine started. Unfortunately work is keeping me away from it recently. I did manage to have 10 free minutes yesterday and I dug into some of the foam and just as I suspected the last inch or so was solid water. I had dental surgery yesterday and by doctors orders took today off so I plan on going out today and getting the foam all out and clean her up and get a cover on her.
 
Yep. That last 1-3 inches of foam is usually where the water is the most. It's amazing how much extra weight just those few inches can add to the total overall weight of the boat.

I'm in the process of removing the same thing (saturated foam) from my 16.5 Airslot. I've already removed over 350lb of saturated foam. I think I'm going to try something a little different this time. First, I'm going to use solid foam noodles (think of the ones used in swimming pools) instead of foaming in place to fill the voids.. This way I'll always be able to remove and replace them easily and cheaply if they get waterlogged. Second, instead of glassing the deck back into place like I did with my V21, I think I'm going to secure it back down with SS screws and seal the edges with silicone caulk so I'll always be able to remove it easily. The whole idea is to make it as easy as possible to remove the deck again if I ever have to replace the fuel tank or bilge pumps or filler hoses or.... well, you get the idea. I'm all about convenience on this project. :head:
 
Yep. That last 1-3 inches of foam is usually where the water is the most. It's amazing how much extra weight just those few inches can add to the total overall weight of the boat.

I'm in the process of removing the same thing (saturated foam) from my 16.5 Airslot. I've already removed over 350lb of saturated foam. I think I'm going to try something a little different this time. First, I'm going to use solid foam noodles (think of the ones used in swimming pools) instead of foaming in place to fill the voids.. This way I'll always be able to remove and replace them easily and cheaply if they get waterlogged. Second, instead of glassing the deck back into place like I did with my V21, I think I'm going to secure it back down with SS screws and seal the edges with silicone caulk so I'll always be able to remove it easily. The whole idea is to make it as easy as possible to remove the deck again if I ever have to replace the fuel tank or bilge pumps or filler hoses or.... well, you get the idea. I'm all about convenience on this project. :head:

I like the pool noodle idea. And the boat I was going to fix up for my nephew had a removable deck like you speak of. Seems like an ok idea as long as it’s done well (his wasn’t). I’m going to seal this one up good. I didn’t get to work on it today as my mouth is hurting a lot worse then I though it was but I’m my blank mind of a day thought of something. I noticed on this boat at the top of the foam there is a hole through the stringer into the center of the boat to where any water that gets on top of the foam in theory will go into the bilge before saturating the foam.

I seriously doubt this worked but I can’t really rule it out with this boat because the floor has been cut open to the elements for over a year so there’s no way that much water could of ran off quick enough. But my thought is what if I re-foam the compartments then put a couple layers of chop strand over the foam then make weep holes into the bilge area. It may be a complete waste of time but is there any reason anyone here thinks I’d regret doing it?
 
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