Motor will not start (pics)

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Motor will not start (pics) update 8-25-08

Hey guys

Before I even started doing the decarburization with Seafom, I found another problem with the motor…I couldn’t start it. At first, the starter motor would not even turn so I thought the batteries were low on charge, I plugged the battery charger on 12 volts and after a few minutes I got to turn the starter motor, the problem is that the starter motor turns but its dog gear doesn’t engage on the fly wheel, I removed the fly wheel cover to look inside.


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Here, I’m turning this gear by hand and it has resistance, should it turn freely?

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The whole gear assemble appear to be in excellent shape, I sprayed it with Lithium gear and installed it. Again, the starter motor turns but it doesn’t engage. I think I have a bad starter motor…

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Darn, now I believe these things go bad sitting around for long time, actually I’m glad I’m finding these problems right here at home.

Comments and suggestions are very much appreciated. Thanks

Joe
 
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That's fairly common. All I've ever done to fix it is to have the starter rebuilt. If the flywheel and gear were not covered you could lift it up with a screw driver to get it to engage.

Also, make sure your batteries are charged. Weak batteries may not spin the starter fast enough to force the gear up.
 
That portion of the starter can cause the problem, I just replaced mine cause I could see a little smoke come off it when it would sorta drag on occasion. Lithium actually gets sticky over a period of time, I stopped using it.
The starter itself could be the problem, over time and use the particles from the brushes and windings can coat or build up in the starter causing some insulating qualities between the brushes and their contact surfaces. Just disassemble it, brush it out, reassemble and test. If it improves or stops the problem, buy a new starter and replace at your convience.
Don't rule out the starter solonoid, if it keeps dragging, have someone hold the key switch and you tap on it to see if it makes the starter improves.
Obviously check all the connections.
First and most important, after charging the batteries, do a load test on each one to see just how good they are. A regular voltmeter won't do it, something like this from Harbor Freight or the like will pay for itself after just a few uses and make you look smarter.
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Thanks guys

I have tested the batteries with a tool like that, both tested ok, I even try with my truck’s battery to double check…
Is the starter motor supposed to be resistant if one turns its gear by hand? Also, for the fact that it would not crank by turning the ignition key, I believe the starter motor and its solenoid could be the culprit. Tomorrow I’m going to investigate further, perhaps take the starter apart before ordering a new one. Thanks again for your help.

Joe
 
The starter should have some resistance when turning by hand from the armeture passing by the magnets. How fast does it spin up when you try to start it? And grease on the bendix like that can cause starter problems. It may not look like it, but there is a rubber clutch disc inside of that gold part with the teeth that contact the flywheel. If grease gets in there it won't turn the engine over because there won't be enough friction to engage it.
 
use that load tester to check the battery cables, Hook it up at the starter solenoid and the block, when you load it, it will tell you how much you are loosing compared to straight at the batteries. I've found bad acbles, bad connections, and bad battery switches using a load tester. Yamaha's are particualry prone to having battery cables problems if they have the factory cables
 
The starter gear turns pretty fast, the problem is that the engaging gear does not move up to the fly wheel. This has me puzzled, this motor went from starting from a single ignition key to this :head::head:
 
I'd take it to a place that rebuilds starters and have them bench test it. I have the same motor and mine sank about 7 years ago. I knew I should replace the starter but it kept on working so I jut put it off. After about 4 years it started sound weak so I took it in to have it looked at. The owner of the shop said it was the worse looking starter he has ever seen still working in his 30 years of business. He even took pics to show customers before and after.
 
I had a 1984 Evinrude 115 where the starter would spin but wouldnt pop up to engage the flywheel. I had initially thought it was the starter motor. The culprit was actually corroded battery cables. Feel the battery cables while someone else turns the ignition, if they are getting hot, chances are the starters not getting enough juice.
 
Just one other thing.....make sure you don't have a bad ground somewhere. My motor did the same thing and it turned out to be a bad connection at the negative post. I had done some rewiring and so I disconnected all accessories etc at the battery and made sure there were good connections at the battery. Started up just fine. It happened again at the ramp when I tried to launch as the negative post had come loose on the drive. Tightened it down and started fine.
 
Put in a few hours on the motor this afternoon and started chasing the cables as you guys suggested, everything I could lay my eyes on looked very solid…I had one more area to check and that was inside the rubber boot where the cables, gas hose, etc etc, come in the motor, I spotted an area wrapped with electrical tape and even before I uncovered it, I had that gut feeling I had found the problematic area, this was what I found upon removing the elect. tape:

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Apparently the ground cable had been taped well before I bought the boat, I fail to understand how some boater or even a pro, could come up with a repair like that, again I’m glad it happened here at home and not battling the Race rips. :oh:

Guys, you’re the best, thanks for your help.

Joe
 
No doubt, that was the problem, one I removed the elect. tape and saw that, I knew I had it.

Thanks again for helping out

Joe
 
WOW ... not too many strands making connection there.

good thing you found it while not on the water. i agree ... unbelievable that even the most backyard mechanic would have done that.
Electrical tape ..:nice:
 
bsteckel said:
WOW ... not too many strands making connection there.

good thing you found it while not on the water. i agree ... unbelievable that even the most backyard mechanic would have done that.
Electrical tape ..:nice:
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Man you went back a few months to find this thread are you tired of turning on the TV and hearing the Obama show.
 
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