Rod holder ?
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Hi all, someone over on THT suggested 0* swivel rod holders all around. This would certainly address the gunnel clearance issue with the V20, and enable positioning the rods as needed for trolling, drifting, etc.
I can't for the life of me see why this isn't a great solution...any thoughts?
Seems like the best idea...
Tx, Bill
I can't for the life of me see why this isn't a great solution...any thoughts?
Seems like the best idea...
Tx, Bill
Hey skunk
Last two boats had swivels just in rear corners. Fished straight stand ups , no bent butts. Swivel always kept the rod/guides/line in optimal direction no matter where the fish ran.
We usually fish short handed...2 or 3. When you get Multiple hook ups one rod may sit in a holder for a while
Those boats were rigged when i purchased them. The v has no holes in it...a blank slate
Trying to "measure 2x...cut once"...
Back in the day we just dropped a golf ball in the rod holder...that was our "swivel"
Tx, bill
Last two boats had swivels just in rear corners. Fished straight stand ups , no bent butts. Swivel always kept the rod/guides/line in optimal direction no matter where the fish ran.
We usually fish short handed...2 or 3. When you get Multiple hook ups one rod may sit in a holder for a while
Those boats were rigged when i purchased them. The v has no holes in it...a blank slate
Trying to "measure 2x...cut once"...
Back in the day we just dropped a golf ball in the rod holder...that was our "swivel"
Tx, bill
SkunkBoat
God
That's fine for the corner and fighting a fish but you want to spread multiple lines while trolling and not have them cross on a hookup.
Use an outrodder in a 0* fwd of the rod box and a "Kite" double rod holder in a 30* straight back furthest aft. The the lower rod gets a flat line clip, upper line will be the wfb line
Use an outrodder in a 0* fwd of the rod box and a "Kite" double rod holder in a 30* straight back furthest aft. The the lower rod gets a flat line clip, upper line will be the wfb line
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SkunkBoat
God
here is a shot of my rig trolling for bft/mahi.
This is before I mounted the GemLux rod holders aft.
Here, on each side, I have 0* fwd of rod box running to outrigger, 30* aft of rod box running wtfb, and flatline in a surface mount rodholder near the "bait bin" angled abeam
oh...and a wwwtfb up in the top down the middle
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This is before I mounted the GemLux rod holders aft.
Here, on each side, I have 0* fwd of rod box running to outrigger, 30* aft of rod box running wtfb, and flatline in a surface mount rodholder near the "bait bin" angled abeam
oh...and a wwwtfb up in the top down the middle
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Thanks-yes agree-so what you are suggesting is there is no point in using swivels other than at transom?
The other 2 positions can be fixed (no advantage to swivel)?
Your suggestion (correct me if wrong);
Transom corners = 0* swivels
Mid gunnel = 30* fixed
Closest to helm = 0* fixed with outrodder
Assuming you can place 2 rods in each outrodder-this would actually allow me to fish 8 lines?! Might get a little tight if I can't spread them out enough...
Edit; skink do you have a pick of the cockpit/gunnels while you are running that spread shown in the pic above?
Thank you!
Bill
P.s. Love your setup with the hard top and riggers...
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SkunkBoat
God
0* corners is a problem because, while trolling, the line from the 30* will hit it if you don't have a bent butt rod in the 0*
The key is to have the tips of the rods such that while trolling AND when hooked up, the line from a forward rod doesn't tangle an aft rod tip.
the double rodholder does that by putting the rear rod lower than the forward rod. I would use this as pictured, both rods pointed aft. The forward rod on a long outrigger and the aft rod on the short rigger(assuming you have large outriggers. the riggers on my boat would not allow a long & short.). I would not point the double rodholder type outward while trolling.
The single outrodder type is made for that.(use a safety lanyard)
On our V20s you are going to be hard pressed to run 8 lines, especially without outriggers. The most I've run is 7 and it ain't easy, even when you're NOT catching fish.
I've run 5 without outriggers no problem but riggers make a better spread
The key is to have the tips of the rods such that while trolling AND when hooked up, the line from a forward rod doesn't tangle an aft rod tip.
the double rodholder does that by putting the rear rod lower than the forward rod. I would use this as pictured, both rods pointed aft. The forward rod on a long outrigger and the aft rod on the short rigger(assuming you have large outriggers. the riggers on my boat would not allow a long & short.). I would not point the double rodholder type outward while trolling.
The single outrodder type is made for that.(use a safety lanyard)
On our V20s you are going to be hard pressed to run 8 lines, especially without outriggers. The most I've run is 7 and it ain't easy, even when you're NOT catching fish.
I've run 5 without outriggers no problem but riggers make a better spread
0* in corners would be on clips...but I see your point.
One of the challenges-as you know-is they limited space we have in our gunnels.
I have made some 3d models (solid works) that I can use as templates and determine just how much room I have. (Before cutting holes!). It appears that 15* holders will provide some flexibility in how i orient the holders (straight back/angles out)...so after the weather breaks...and I get the snow off the boat...i will lay it all out. I am thinking maybe 15*'s all around.
If i put 2 in tight at transom (i think i can fit them in splashwell area) on clips for flat lines. And then 2 in each gunnel...i should be able to fish a 6 rod spread (maybe 7 with a wfb right up the middle).
I'll fish like this for a season and see how it goes. Maybe a hard top...and/or riggers are in my future. Our Grady had riggers and they sure helped with the spread...
Why do you recommend not to point rods "out" using outriders? Are they not robust enough to hold the rod? (I have never used these...).
Thanks again, Bill
One of the challenges-as you know-is they limited space we have in our gunnels.
I have made some 3d models (solid works) that I can use as templates and determine just how much room I have. (Before cutting holes!). It appears that 15* holders will provide some flexibility in how i orient the holders (straight back/angles out)...so after the weather breaks...and I get the snow off the boat...i will lay it all out. I am thinking maybe 15*'s all around.
If i put 2 in tight at transom (i think i can fit them in splashwell area) on clips for flat lines. And then 2 in each gunnel...i should be able to fish a 6 rod spread (maybe 7 with a wfb right up the middle).
I'll fish like this for a season and see how it goes. Maybe a hard top...and/or riggers are in my future. Our Grady had riggers and they sure helped with the spread...
Why do you recommend not to point rods "out" using outriders? Are they not robust enough to hold the rod? (I have never used these...).
Thanks again, Bill
SkunkBoat
God
The double rod holders are originally designed for holding a kite rod and fishing rod while drifting. We use them on that big sportie in the previous picture for trolling. Its not my boat or there would be a dozen flush rodholders, including swivels in the cornersfor fighting swords on 80ws with bent butts
They hold the long & short rigger lines with 50w reels set to strike. Because they are not angled outward, there is no "torque" on the pin of the flush mount rodholder they are in.... even if we get a double hookup, which has happened often. I find that they raise the butt of the rod high and taking them out of one while hanging over the side with a 70# yft would be awkward. They also are not going to get you angled outward enough for some spread in the lines if you are not using outriggers. We have used them deadsticking for sharks & swords and it is hard to take out an 80w or a 9/0 if you are dumb enough to set on a runoff.
The single "outrodders" put a rod lower and pointed OUT like a short outrigger.Just be aware that a strike while in a turn can yank a rod out so use a lanyard
Hey skunk, picked up a pair of these; https://www.outriggerunlimited.com/
Should be just the ticket for a small boat!
Bill
Should be just the ticket for a small boat!
Bill
I didn't read this entire thread so pardon me if this has been mentioned.....
To create a more 90 degree angle, I drilled new holes at the bottom of the rod holder and inserted a new " pin" to lock into the fishing rod butt when stuck into the rod holder....
This way, you don't have to worry about rotating the gunnel flush holders, because the locking bar at the bottom is moved.
I did it to offset the rod bend associated with trolling spoons on m Maja rods that bend quite a bit. Still.........I attach bungee's to the rods so I don't lose the rod no matter what.
So the rod is more 90 degrees to the boat, then bends when trolling but still firmly in place.
To create a more 90 degree angle, I drilled new holes at the bottom of the rod holder and inserted a new " pin" to lock into the fishing rod butt when stuck into the rod holder....
This way, you don't have to worry about rotating the gunnel flush holders, because the locking bar at the bottom is moved.
I did it to offset the rod bend associated with trolling spoons on m Maja rods that bend quite a bit. Still.........I attach bungee's to the rods so I don't lose the rod no matter what.
So the rod is more 90 degrees to the boat, then bends when trolling but still firmly in place.
steplift20
God
They have rod holders that come with brackets so the rod holder fits in the bracket which is mounted to the inside of the gunnels they also have rod holders that are plastic and made by the Roberts company and they have two differant mounts You can mount it on top or the side and that's what I have, they work fine
steplift20
God
Try searching attwood 2 in 1 rod holders they bolt( not screwed) to the side of the tunnel and don't inter fear with the rod boxes