VT Shooting

This might explain the delay...although I believe it should have been lockeddown immediately...


Police attempt to rationalize their two-hour delay
From The New York Times:

And new information emerged that may help explain a fateful two-hour delay by university officials in warning the campus of a gunman at large. According to search warrants and statements from the police, campus investigators had been busy pursuing what appears to have been a fruitless lead in the first of two shooting episodes Monday.

After two people, Emily Jane Hilscher, a freshman, and Ryan Clark, the resident adviser whose room was nearby in the dormitory, were shot dead, the campus police began searching for Karl D. Thornhill, who was described in Internet memorials as Ms. Hilscher’s boyfriend.

According to a search warrant filed by the police, Ms. Hilscher’s roommate had told the police that Mr. Thornhill, a student at nearby Radford University, had guns at his town house. The roommate told the police that she had recently been at a shooting range with Mr. Thornhill, the affidavit said, leading the police to believe he may have been the gunman.

But as they were questioning Mr. Thornhill, reports of widespread shooting at Norris Hall came in, making it clear that they had not contained the threat on campus. Mr. Thornhill was not arrested, although he continues to be an important witness in the case, the police said.

Most murders are committed by people who know the victim. The closer the relationship the better the suspect. If a man is murdered the first person the cops will look at is his wife; if a woman is killed like Emily Hilscher the first person the police will suspect, in the absence of compelling information to the contrary, will be her boyfriend.
 
Someone said to me how she couldn't believe that most states today actually issue permits for people to carry concealed weapons. She said it's no wonder there is so much gun violence out there. I had to point out to her that criminals and psychos aren't applying for or obtaining permits . . . they carry guns without permits. Only law-abiding citizens can get a permit.
 
Who needs a gun anyhow? Anybody can get hold of a couple of gallons of gas and a book of matches. With the doors chained shut this could have been even more deadly than with guns. Bottom line is if someone wants to kill alot of people and is THAT determined, I believe they will find a way to get it done.

Its a very sad and difficult subject for sure.
 
Pipe_Dream said:
Someone said to me how she couldn't believe that most states today actually issue permits for people to carry concealed weapons. She said it's no wonder there is so much gun violence out there. I had to point out to her that criminals and psychos aren't applying for or obtaining permits . . . they carry guns without permits. Only law-abiding citizens can get a permit.
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Unfortunately too many think about it in the same terms as your friend...hope you pointed out background checks are done B4 carry permits issued... ;) ...
 
In a one year period following Florida's passing of the shall issue carry law, violent crime which had been on a steady upturn to all new highs each year fell 40 %.
You all may remember the rash of tourists, especially non english speaking tourists that became targets of rape robbery and assault in Fla around that time. That was due to the fact that the sh!tbirds doing the crimes did not want to confron average joe or josephine in Fla anymore because several hundred thousand of them were armed and knew how to shoot.
In the state of Vermont, all you have ever needed, because of their state constituion is a drivers license, now a criminal background instant check and be age 21 to legally carry concealed their violent crime rate is the lowest or one of the lowest per capita of any state in the world.
Thirty nine states have passed shall issue laws over the past decade and each and every one of them has seen a dramatic fall in their violent crime rates.
These states have also not had any issues with licensed carry people commiting any crime.
The state of Fla. had two licensed holders commit what would be considered a crime with their guns in the over a decade long licensing program. Neither of those cases involved a death.
There has never ever been a corrolation ever produced or shown that indicates that high weapon possesion levels among the population produced high violent crime rates.
In fact it has been proven again and again in hundreds of private and goverment studies that the exact opposite is the truth.
The state of Virginia decided to start charging (with the cooperation of the Federal District Attorney) those arrested with using a firearm in a violent crime or those illegally possessing a firearm in violation of the hundreds of federal statutes. During the first year of these successful prosecutions violent crime and weapon possession of firearms by criminal dropped by 60% and has stayed there for over a decade.
All the civil rights sh!tbirds the ACLU and other liberal organizations (you know the ones who protect our liberties granted by the Bill Of Rights, except the 2nd Amendmant of course) filed suit to stop the program. They lost. You see there is no parole in the violation of federal laws. Sh!tbirds had to serve there time. What a concept.
And in the wake of this horrible tragedy, these same liberal sh!tbirds are using the deaths of these beautiful kids to try to advance their political agenda about gun control.
It's not gun control theywant, they want people control.
If there was ever a classic, dramatic example of what the liberal agenda is and the results of it all you ever have to do is look at those poor people of New Orleans when Katrina hit. That piece of sh!t they call the mayor ordered the police to go home to home and confiscate legally owned firearms (from their not supposed to have roster of legal firearms ownership) and they did. They left hundreds and hundreds of people powerless to defend themselves from roving gangs of scum.
That action right there tells you why the framers of the constitution made the legal ownership of firearms the Second amendment in the constitution. To give us the ability to protect ourselves from an criminal or a criminal government.
There is such a documented mountain of evidence to support legal possession to even try to argue otherwise is to close your eyes to reason, logic and the human condition. Evil exists, it exits world wide. It thrives where the population has neither the will or the ability to stop it.
it won't be at the Schultz residence. It will be stopped at my door. And I I will not lose a moments sleep over it.
As a matter of fact I will probably go and have a cocktail and look at the W.E.T thread awhile.

;)
 
I want to reply but can't think of anything to add Willy.

Except of course that if you stop evil at your door Hammer will want pictures.
 
Don't worry Tuna I'm sure I will be all over the newspapers, especially the NY Times and the Daily News as the mad man from NJ that dared to protect his family.
You see I am not one of the media elite, I actually do not have a advance team of armed individuals to protect me, like the team of armed individuals who protect Mayor Bloomberg or Govenor Corzine or even that walking on two leg pig Rosie O'Donnell. I am actually responsible for my own protection and the protection of my family.
It is a sensitive subject for me, for over thirty years when I would encounter an honest citizen who armed himself to protect his family or his own life I cut the fellow slack, told him to do something with his illegal firearm and walked away like it never happened.
That would get me fired in the peoples republic of NJ if they ever found out.
I remember reading the synopsis of the shooting that occurred in Texas several years ago. A police officer stopped a vehicle at an intersection. Unknown to him the sh!tbird he stopped was wanted for multiple armed robberies. He was just doing a motor vehicle stop. There were several vehicles stopped at the cross street for the red light where he stopped the car.
All of a sudden the driver stepped out of his vehicle and started firing while advancing on the officer. Had him pinned and wounded.
Next thing he remembered he heard shots coming from different directions. Turns out being good Texans there were two cars ( civilians ) that were stopped at the intersection and had their legally owned handguns with them and opened fire on this low life piece of sh!t and mortally wounded him.
I read the first hand account from the Police Journal from the officer, those people saved his life.
If that low life in Virginia ran into a legally armed citizen during his assault on those kids many lives could have been saved.
That Jewish Professor, a true hero may not of had to block the door with his body and my sons friend may have been coming home for summer break in a few weeks and not be on the front page of our NJ papers today.
I know that is conjecture. I know that chances are he would not run into anyone so armed. I just feel that if citizens have the ability to protect themselves fewer of these things will happen, and even depressed deranged people like this wack job in Va. would be concerned about who he might run into and not think it is like a video game or movie and he can just roam around and empty magazines at will.
When I was a younger fellow another wack job took a high power rifle into a tower in texas and started shooting people all over the campus. It was not the Police that kept him pinned down and limited his ability to kill more it was several citizens who lived in the area who owned there own rifles and kept him from doing even more harm.
All of these examples are of men and women who had the will to confront evil and the tools to do it.
All right, I have gotten it off my chest. And if anyone see's Rosie O'Donnel around please choke her by the throat until she don't talk no more. And this piece of crap named Tom Daly from the Daily News in NY. too.
 
The VT Killer got his last wish...NBC and now every network affiliate everywhere, airing the videos and pictures he sent to them...I don't think those EVER should have made the airways...studied by police and the like, but never give him the satisfaction (even after he's dead) of airtime...now every deranged moron w/ a gun believes he can go out the same way ::) ...
 
Wow, Willy, gotta agree with everything you said.

I also feel that profiling should be used in every case.
I also feel that notification to parents, work, schools and
police of people who have been to profesionals for
evaluation of eratic or socially unacceptable behaiours
should be mandatory.
The profesional does not have to say why, just notify
them that a particular individual should be watched carefully.
Just the fear of the notification should make people think twice.

My CEO used to work as an emplotyment screener
and you would not believe the scumbags that get hired
and then when the company finds out it's too late.
i.e. sex offenders working around women.
 
Agreed, there needs to be a process that works better at identifying people who have a problem, and a system of monitoring the successful conclusion of the treatment of that problem.
The biggest single problem this country has with any type of security issue from Bin Laden to this deranged student is we are a free people. I, rather we insist on it. And thanks to the Bill of Rights I can speak about it, gather with friends and discuss it, AND BE ABLE TO STOP THE GOVERNMENT FROM TAKING IT FROM ME, by force if needed.
And I can be secure in my home and person from unreasonable intrusions.
We more than any other nation in history are free from our government. It's what sets us apart, it's what binds us whether we are white black asian european, we are free and our founding fathers gave us the Amendments in the Constitution to garauntee it as long as we do our part and insure it's not taken away.
In our society and with our freedoms there will always be times when it costs us more than we expect.
Trouble is I don't want the government decideing who is crazy and needs to be institutionalized without a citizen based check and balance. They have had that in many countries, modern societies in power today and it is used as tool to eliminate unwanted people.
Tough, balancing things when so much is at stake, like at VaTech.
 
This is coming around in an e-mail:

GunOwners.jpg


I don't belong to any group,
but I agree with the sentiment.

and the TV made me watch porno
and the radio made me listen to music I don't like.
and on and on.

living is made up of choices, and one of the best is to choose not to.
 
There are many checks and balances already in place...the head of the English Dept at VT had already picked this guy out as being severely depressed and violent in nature...she went several places looking for something that could be done w/him and found no help...Willy's right...we are a free nation and it's going to be very difficult weighing the importance of our individual rights against the safety of our loved ones...but in the case of Hui, there was ample prior evidence ...but no single entity to put it all together and act on it...but there ya go...as soon as you enable an entity such as that, the gov't is deciding who's crazy and poses a risk to society...

...at any rate, airing his pix all over TV, IMO, is not the way to go...certainly not this early...
 
The media is stumbling all over themselves to air these video's and pics.
I want to be informed, but there seems to be no end to the sensationlism of a dispicable act. They sound like they are amazed and entertained by it instead of using a tone of sorrow and horror and portraying this murderer for what he was.
It almost feels when I am watching the news pieces on it that it has an air of a movie review of the latest Shwarznegger shoot um up.
I don't hear the over running thought of how dispicable the act is, and that scares me.
 
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